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TIME Magazine's Latest Blood Libel About Israel

Seeded on Mon Sep 6, 2010 10:05 AM EDT
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The September 13, 2010 issue of TIME Magazine arrived yesterday. The cover story is titled "Why Israel Doesn't Care About Peace" and is illustrated by a large Jewish star composed of daisies. Yes, daisies—as in "counting daisies, don't have a care in the world."

This is precisely the point of Karl Vick's article. He writes:

Israelis are no longer preoccupied with the matter [of peace with the Palestinians]. They're otherwise engaged: They're making money; they're enjoying the rays of the late summer … they have moved on.

Vick quotes an Israeli real estate agent in Ashdod, one Eli, who tells him:

People are indifferent. They don't care if there's going to be war. They don't care if there's going to be peace. They don't care. They live in the day.

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Of course, Jews are the original Palestinians and the most indigenous of the region’s inhabitants; yes, there are many impoverished Israelis, both Jews and non-Jews; and, let’s not forget that there are even some Israelis who remain permanently on high alert for the next terrorist attack, permanently scarred by the last ones. For a moment, let’s forget about all that. Allow me to ask: Why doesn’t Vick also point out that Palestinians are leading the high life on the West Bank and in sumptuous villas on both the West Bank and in Gaza; that they, too, are sunbathing, swimming, shopping, dining out, and relaxing at the beach—at least as much as the Islamist thugs who run the lives of Palestinians will allow it?

C'mon Phyllis.

You mean to say you really don't know why Vick is not pointing that out?

  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 10:07 AM EDT
Jalmeno

Vick writes that real estate is booming, as is business in general, Israeli “brainiacs” have helped their nation avoid the economic disasters that have plunged Europe and America into a recession. He literally writes this. “Israel avoided the debt traps that dragged the U.S. and Europe into recession. It is known as a start-up nation—second only to the U.S. companies listed on the Nasdaq exchange.”

Is Vick aware that, consciously or not, intentionally or not, he is counting on the world’s long-held resentment about Jewish creativity, genius, and scientific and economic success—counting on the world’s willingness to scapegoat Israel once again for crimes that it has not committed? Or because Jews seem to “know something,” maybe they are channeling God directly and thus, the deck is stacked against non-Jews. Vick presents Israel’s “success” as somehow unseemly, because it makes other nations look bad. Does he harbor the suspicion that Jewish prosperity has been “stolen” from non-Jews or is he merely advertising that Jewish gold is there, ripe for the taking?

Congratulations, Vick.

You've sprinkled in the first ingredient of a good blood libel.

  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 10:10 AM EDT
Jalmeno

But Vick fails to convey that negotiations cannot work as long as the ultra-Nazified Arab Islamic propaganda against Jews and Israel continues to turn out children who hate Jews and who become human homicide bombs, snipers, kidnappers, kassam rocket throwers, etc.

Here is what Vick utterly fails to comprehend, namely, that the Israelis are not merely tired, disenchanted, living in la-la land a la southern Californians (hence, the Jewish star made of daisies on the cover). The Israelis are actually showing the entire world how to embrace life, even as they live, trembling, in the shadow of death. They are teaching the world how to “love life more than they fear death.” A new and wonderful book A New Shoah. The Untold Story of Israel’s Victims of Terrorism by Italian journalist Giulio Meotti, which is not yet out, makes precisely this point.

That might be what pisses the haters off the most about Israel:

It's the plain and simple refusal to cower. They will live life, and when the time comes, they will defend themselves against whatever those who wish to destroy them will bring.

It's sooooo much better to be friends...

  • 11 votes
#1.2 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
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Perrie

Ummmm....Jal...case and point.

What did I say about the media in your last article?

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
Jalmeno

The battle never ends.

We will be right, with them or without them, and will not stop fighting to illuminate the dark for those that want to see the light.

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT
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Buzz of the Orient

The bias of this article is just more proof that contrary to the usual crap about the Jews controlling the media, that propaganda is an outright lie.

  • 11 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
Jalmeno

There's bias and then there's this article.

Sets us back 75 years.

  • 9 votes
#3.1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
Perrie

Then do something about it. Get a petition going. Nothing here on NV will change anything.

  • 12 votes
#3.2 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT
Jalmeno

There are a number of organizations that I give verbal, physical and monetary support to. Can't do much more than I'm doing.

As far as NV is concerned:

I know I stand in the minority, but not doing anything would just make the scene even more pathetic than it is. Eventually, one way or another, the truth will be accepted, and we'll be heroes. Can I wake up now?

  • 10 votes
#3.3 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:15 PM EDT
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Better Careful

Don't blame the messenger. Or try working the ref.

We'll see if Israel stops the land grab and returns Palestinian land to the people of Palestine. We'll see.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 1:37 PM EDT
Jalmeno

Greetings, PDeuth.

You did not address the article, and as usual, are attempting to derail the seed.

It's a holiday today, so your first post stands. After this, you'll be deleted for hijacking.

Happy Labor Day.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
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caroaber

There isn't a single comment or sentence from the Time author that even remotely resembles a blood libel. This Prof. Chesler has a chip on her shoulder and infers anti-semitism even when it isn't present. Her grievances are tiresome, her arguments unconvincing.
Israelis relaxing and going about their daily lives is now something that shouldn't be written about and it's nefarious when done so?? I was in Miami last spring; Israelis were enjoying the beaches and I heard Hebrew spoken. This is a bad thing? Israel isn't the only nation that avoided the Great Recession--Canada and Norway did, too. No one is suggesting they had insider knowledge. Chesler needs to stop projecting her neurotic fears onto the unsuspecting, those of us who don't share her fears.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
Jalmeno

There isn't a single comment or sentence from the Time author that even remotely resembles a blood libel

Okay car, let's do a little "arithmetic".

First, Vick discusses that the rank and file Israeli citizen "does not care" about peace with the Palestinians. This is a fallacious heinous lie. So that's the first thing that goes into the stew.

Next, he discusses the opulence with which some Israelis live, as if to say that it's not right in the midst of this crisis. That's digusting on several points, but Chessler focuses on the opulence with which some Palestinians in Gaza and Judea/Samaria live. She could have gone in another direction, but heck, if it chapped your ass, it had to have been effective, no?

So here we have stew that's cooking, nice high temperature. He's catering to the anger and derision at Israel that folks just like you feel, and he puts in the final ingredient:

The success that the modern, technologically and intellectually advanced Joooooooish State of Israel is experiencing, while the poor trapped, fenced in, apartheid, genocide victim, etc. etc. horsesh!t nonsense propaganda fill-in-your-favorite-right-here misery that the Palestinians are feeling.

And now the pot's boiling over. But you don't see that. Why don't you pick up next week's edition, and see what the letters to the editor say about it. Then you'll understand what I'm talking about. The cover of the f cking magazine was enough to set people off.

But you don't see that. And you don't see the other side. And you don't see how people like me and Chessler pray every day that somehow, by some MIRACLE, that they can somehow hammer out a peace deal. And this COVER STORY not only did NOTHING to advance that possibility, it might have made it worse.

And then they put this sh!t on the newsstand.

You'll never understand what it means to be me.

Never.

Take your derision elsewhere, and tell someone who cares.

  • 9 votes
#5.1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
caroaber

The author Vick interviewed people for the article, including "Eli." His statements--opinions--were reported. This is nothing to get bent out of shape over. They are opinions, and stated as such.
Jews are not alone among people who've suffered oppression. So much of humanity has, and their suffering is unique, too.
No, I'll never know what it's like to be you. For starters, I'm not your analyst. (But you might wanna discuss this ass-chapping vision with one. )
This victim nonsense is getting tired. Has been since the '80s.

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 4:51 PM EDT
Jalmeno

This victim nonsense is getting tired.

Yes, very tired.

Are the Palestinians tired of being "victims" yet, or will they continue to see how the world, led by the MEDIA (read: pubs like Time Magazine) continue to show them that if they keep stalling and keep terrorizing, they'll be rewarded with a better deal?

Not even close to being done...

  • 9 votes
#5.3 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 4:55 PM EDT
Perrie

Hummm...

Caroaber, said since the 80's which if I remember right, is when I dated the change to have occurred in your last article, right? Not so out of it am I Jal? And Who is wagging the dog here? Maybe the media?

Caroaber,

The whole point of this article, is to make peace seem unimportant to Israelis. That on the eve of peace talks, the average Israeli isn't interested in peace. That as long as they sit fat in good economic times, that they couldn't give a damn.

Otherwise, why write the article at all?

There is an agenda here, and it's to make the average Israeli seem insensitive and cold...so much easier to hate them then. Hate the government, now hate the people.

This is coming from someone who has no victim complex.

BTW, do I know you from PS 155 in Brownsville, Brooklyn? I think you taught there when I taught there.

  • 9 votes
#5.4 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT
nonStitiousZealot

This victim nonsense is getting tired.

The way I look at it is Israel is saving its collective energy for the inevitable
war with hzbollah . Will Hamas attack simultaneously ? Probably . That is the
usual " hard desert $h!+ " that goes on . Of course Israel wants peace .
Do you think they like the repeated attempts to kill them ?
And you don't respect their potential victimhood in this . How many will
have to die before you say "That is too much blood ." ?

  • 7 votes
#5.5 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

IMHO, it is this statement in the article that bothers me, having been in Israel and seen a bus bomb go off; having witnessed the reception room in the Park Hotel in Netanya soon after it was destroyed by a Palestinian suicide bomber, wiping out many from a large family Passover seder; having a daughter who was on a Tel Aviv beach when a burried pipe bomb went off and killed one of her classmates; having a son who was shaken out of bed when a bomb went off in the street near where he was sleeping in Jerusalem:

People are indifferent. They don't care if there's going to be war. They don't care if there's going to be peace. They don't care. They live in the day.

They live in the day. Absolutely, they live in a well-covered feeling of tension, concern that where they sit in a cafe or in a mall could be the next target, but that tension is covered the best they can, living each day as if it could be the last, because it COULD be the last. Those who have NOT experienced the latent terror of the possibility of being murdered at any moment would describe their attitude as Karl Vick had done.

Besides, how many times can you put your hopes on a possible peace happening just to find it always blown away by the Palestinians, such as when Arafat threw away the possibility of a just peace, just as factions of Palestinians do everything they can to sabotage even the possibility when negotiations begin.

  • 10 votes
#5.6 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

What I forgot to say is that those incidents I described occurred during very rare short visits to Israel by myself or my children. It's not hard to imagine how those kinds of incidents affect those who live in Israel permanently.

  • 9 votes
#5.7 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
caroaber

(@ Perrie: While I was once a per diem substitute teacher in NYC, I only taught in the Bronx, from '85-'88. I left teaching and never returned.)

@ nSZ: "Potential victimhood" is a supposition. I'm well aware that real people and families have been affected by violence and terrorism. I take issue with Prof. Chesler's stretching this matter and exaggerating things. It is emotional, not rational, and unsupported. Time Magazine has been consistently pro-Israel for decades, and she has a hissy fit because she doesn't like the observations made by Vick and others?

It's as though she's demanding that Time toe the line--her line.

  • 1 vote
#5.8 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 8:54 AM EDT
nonStitiousZealot

"Potential victimhood" is a supposition.

Although that much is true , there have already been casualties in the early
skirmishes of this next war with hzbollah . Do you recall the border tree trimming
incident in which 1 IDF was killed and one wounded ?

As to the article being unsupported , I could say that is especially accurate about the Time article .

The cover story is titled "Why Israel Doesn't Care About Peace"

  • 9 votes
#5.9 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
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backroads

Perhaps Time dare not even infer what the Arabs really want. Perhaps Time fears speaking about Arab reticence about a peaceful co-existence that ensures Israel's continued existence.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 11:45 PM EDT
Buzz of the Orient

Perhaps Time dare not even infer what the Arabs really want. Perhaps Time fears speaking about Arab reticence about a peaceful co-existence that ensures Israel's continued existence.

...or perhaps it's just because Time does not want to have its offices firebombed.

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 12:49 AM EDT
backroads

Or its staffers murdered.

  • 6 votes
#6.2 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 12:56 AM EDT
Bonnie-1034943

That would be my guess.

  • 5 votes
#6.3 - Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT
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