The Fallacy of Arab Brotherhood

Muslims adhere to the Koran, not to the Torah or Talmud. Therefore I do not believe that the words of the Talmud "Who saves one life saves the world entire." would be meaningful to them.

Therefore I do not believe that the words of the Talmud "Who saves one life saves the world entire." would be meaningful to them.

It is in fact the exact opposite understanding, as that found in Jewish scripture.

Hello Jalmeno. Good to read something from you.

Life must be so bad in these Arab Countries, when the people would rather live under Sharia. Careful of what they wish for, because such a place looks an awful lot like Somalia. I love this quote which applies to all fanaticism.

No one will call on the Muslim community to stop reacting with violence to criticism, but to accept the fact that in a pluralistic society, some people will do things to which they object, and the proper response is genuine tolerance, not arson and riots. ~ Jihad watch

So then, it's every man for himself?

No, every Musim, against every non-Muslim.

"Who saves one life saves the world entire."

I believe that is plagiarized from a Jewish Rabbi,commenting on the story of Cain and Able, and in the Quran it is arbitrated to 'allah'

I just started reading the Jewish scriptures,and comparing them to the equivalent story in the Quran.

it's like having a person on methamphetamine read "The old man and the Sea" and then try to reproduce it, with footnotes, and an unlimited amount of more methamphetamine and a 12.99 $, half gallon, of Popovoff vodka, in the plastic bottle.

Now let's see how the traditional schools of Sunni Islam understand this

from the tasfir of Ibn Kathir

(We ordained for the Children of Israel...) meaning, We legislated for them and informed them (that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land -

sorry to point out, depending on who (Jihadists) ?

mischief, is a rather wide exception,to the rule. By extension, could not refusal to accept Islam, be considered mischievous, and therefore worthy of death ?

it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) The Ayah states, whoever kills a soul without justification -- such as in retaliation for murder or for causing mischief on earth -- will be as if he has killed all mankind, because there is no difference between one life and another.

now what does this mean to the jurists and Imams of Islamic thought

(it would be as if he killed all mankind. .) means,

"Whoever kills one soul that Allah has forbidden killing, is just like he who kills all mankind.'' Sa`id bin Jubayr said,

"He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim,

very specific, not "people of the book",nor all humanity....but a Muslim

is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people.

He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.''

again, a specific group of people (namely fellow Muslims)

In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah,

[فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً]

(it would be as if he killed all mankind,) "He who kills a believing soul intentionally,

once more, in this instance a believing soul, is a Muslim ? it does not say and people of the book.

Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode, He will become angry withhim, and curse him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him, equal to if he had killed all people, his punishment will still be the same.'' Ibn Jurayj said that Mujahid said that the Ayah,

and clicking next, will show what will befall those who commit, mischief in the land.(Crucifixion )

As I said, I will examine the @!$%# out of the subject,can we find a definition of mischief. I could be wrong about how I am reading this, I would feel better if I had more understanding of this verse.

Meaning of Mischief

In his Tafsir, As-Suddi said that Ibn `Abbas and Ibn Mas`ud commented,

﴿وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِى الأَرْضِ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ ﴾

(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,'' they say: "We are only peacemakers.'') "They are the hypocrites. As for,

﴿لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِى الأَرْضِ﴾

("Do not make mischief on the earth''), that is disbelief and acts of disobedience.'' Abu Ja`far said that Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that Abu Al-`Aliyah said that Allah's statement,

mischief is disbelief in "allah".

﴿وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِى الأَرْضِ﴾

(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,''), means, "Do not commit acts of disobedience on the earth. Their mischief is disobeying Allah, because whoever disobeys Allah on the earth, or commands that Allah be disobeyed, he has committed mischief on the earth.

I am seeing a difficulty in dealing with the "other" in a,humanitarian,tolerant, or decent way. I think it might be, if not encouraged, accepted,as a punishment from "allah" on earth for rejection. But I will continue to look to see, if there is more subject matter. I am still a little sceptical.

Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4457

This tradition has been narrated by the game authority (Yazid b. Hurmus) through a different chain of transmitters with the following difference in the elucidation of one of the points raised by Najda in his letter to Ibn Abas: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside.

just like the tafsir I linked. A believer (Muslim) it protected, and a non-Muslim can be killed,it's not that difficult to grasp.

Jalmeno wrote: “Do you mean political conflicts?...” The Arab Socialist Ba’athists are in control in Syria. Just like the Nazis, they will not tolerate resistance. (See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%27ath_Party )

Jalmeno wrote: “…..Does the murder of 50,000 civilian brothers not distract one enough?” It’s just another day in hell.

Jalmeno wrote: “……Is it up to the West to mop this up?” No, it isn’t. One of the reasons the Ba’ath party came into existence was because of Western imperialism. The people are going to have to sort it out themselves.

Jalmeno wrote: “Cowardice among more than a billion Arabs?” Arabs are not cowards. Under Islamism, there is only one goal: the subjugation of the entire Planet under Islam. Human life means next to nothing. Only the long-term goal has meaning. This is stated in the Qur’an.

With the dictators gone, the far right relgionists will take advantage of the opportunity to move in and gain power. It happened in Iran, in Iraq and who know how long the “Arab Spring” will last in Egypt? From what I have observed, life under the religionist extremists is much worse than it ever was under the dictators.

People are going to have to choose between Freedom and Liberty or the horrific, stultifying bondage of religionism. This is the ultimate conflict both there and here.

~K